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Author Topic: Legally possessing a firearm in a Nat'l Park when traveling????  (Read 617 times)
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« on: September 03, 2008, 08:02:28 PM »

Ok, I'll soon be traveling to a shooting class to train wearing my duty gear/using my sidearm. The plan is to see some Nat'l Park Service sites enroute. Would HR 218 cover me? Would I need to unload and lock my guns up in cases to be legal? What do I do?
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« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2008, 10:04:06 PM »

Found this in less than a minute on Google....it was the first listing....basically, you're SOL like the rest of us...it only applies to state and local laws, not federal laws:

http://www.grandlodgefop.org/legislative/issues/hr218/hr218faq.pdf
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Is the exemption provided by the law total? - can I now carry anywhere at any
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The new law exempts all qualified active and retired law enforcement officers from State and
local laws with respect to the carrying of concealed firearms. These officers are not exempt from
Federal law or regulation, which governs the carriage of firearms onto aircraft, Federal buildings,
Federal property, and national parks.

I don't know if this has changed, but you could email the FOP.org site, or perhaps ask Alan Korwin, author of "Arizona Gun Owner's Guide" and many others.  Tell him I sent you.

alan (at) bloomfieldpress.com

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« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2008, 06:41:50 AM »

Thanks Tim. I was afraid that was going to be the case....   Undecided
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« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2008, 12:06:23 PM »

Looks like you'll just have to keep it concealed like...er, some guy's i know.
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« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2008, 02:29:32 PM »

There is supposed to be a new rule issued shortly regarding carrying concealed in national parks. http://www.countertopchronicles.com/2008/04/29/national-park-carry-2/ The comment period was extended by a month thanks to some hardworking antis in the Congress, but I don't think that will make a difference.  To my understanding there were more positive comments than negative but I don't have source nor a true reckoning.  If Kempthorne can stick to his guns and get this through prior to November, we should be good to go.

Of course nothing now precludes you from possessing a firearm in at National Park now, it just has to be locked in the trunk, separate from the ammo etc. etc.  Angry



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« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2008, 04:14:10 PM »

Ok, just got off the phone with an AUSA. As said before, no CCW, but unloaded and locked up in your vehicle is legal on NPS lands. Better than nada.  Cry
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« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2008, 08:43:50 PM »

what firearm?
I know not what you are refering to...
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« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2008, 02:52:09 AM »

what firearm?
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« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2008, 08:16:27 AM »

These aren't the droids you're looking for.

Are you sure??

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« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2008, 10:01:40 PM »

Here's a little more action on the same issue from a completely different angle.

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=922930
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« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2008, 05:36:29 PM »

[Code of Federal Regulations]
[Title 36, Volume 1]
[Revised as of July 1, 2004]
From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access
[CITE: 36CFR2.4]

[Page 19-20]
 
              TITLE 36--PARKS, FORESTS, AND PUBLIC PROPERTY
 
      CHAPTER I--NATIONAL PARK SERVICE, DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR
 
PART 2_RESOURCE PROTECTION, PUBLIC USE AND RECREATION--Table of Contents
 
Sec. 2.4  Weapons, traps and nets.

    (a)(1) Except as otherwise provided in this section and parts 7
(special regulations) and 13 (Alaska regulations), the following are
prohibited:
    (i) Possessing a weapon, trap or net
    (ii) Carrying a weapon, trap or net
    (iii) Using a weapon, trap or net
    (2) Weapons, traps or nets may be carried, possessed or used:
    (i) At designated times and locations in park areas where:
    (A) The taking of wildlife is authorized by law in accordance with
Sec. 2.2 of this chapter;
    (B) The taking of fish is authorized by law in accordance with Sec.
2.3 of this part.
    (ii) When used for target practice at designated times and at
facilities or locations designed and constructed specifically for this
purpose and designated pursuant to special regulations.
    (iii) Within a residential dwelling. For purposes of this
subparagraph only, the term ``residential dwelling'' means a fixed
housing structure which is either the principal residence of its
occupants, or is occupied on a regular and recurring basis by its
occupants as an alternate residence or vacation home.
    (3) Traps, nets and unloaded weapons may be possessed within a
temporary

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lodging or mechanical mode of conveyance when such implements are
rendered temporarily inoperable or are packed, cased or stored in a
manner that will prevent their ready use.
    (b) Carrying or possessing a loaded weapon in a motor vehicle,
vessel or other mode of transportation is prohibited, except that
carrying or possessing a loaded weapon in a vessel is allowed when such
vessel is not being propelled by machinery and is used as a shooting
platform in accordance with Federal and State law.
    (c) The use of a weapon, trap or net in a manner that endangers
persons or property is prohibited.
    (d) The superintendent may issue a permit to carry or possess a
weapon, trap or net under the following circumstances:
    (1) When necessary to support research activities conducted in
accordance with Sec. 2.5.
    (2) To carry firearms for persons in charge of pack trains or saddle
horses for emergency use.
    (3) For employees, agents or cooperating officials in the
performance of their official duties.
    (4) To provide access to otherwise inaccessible lands or waters
contiguous to a park area when other means of access are otherwise
impracticable or impossible.

Violation of the terms and conditions of a permit issued pursuant to
this paragraph is prohibited and may result in the suspension or
revocation of the permit.
    (e) Authorized Federal, State and local law enforcement officers may
carry firearms in the performance of their official duties.
    (f) The carrying or possessing of a weapon, trap or net in violation
of applicable Federal and State laws is prohibited.
    (g) The regulations contained in this section apply, regardless of
land ownership, on all lands and waters within a park area that are
under the legislative jurisdiction of the United States.

[48 FR 30282, June 30, 1983, as amended at 49 FR 18450, Apr. 30, 1984;
52 FR 35240, Sept. 18, 1987]
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